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Kara R
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Posted:12/08/2005 23:18:58 |
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What would you do if… you were sitting in a restaurant and someone comes in and demands everyone’s money?
I heard that two Waffle House restaurants were robbed this week.. and since I just ate at one last week it got me thinking... what would you do if you were at a store or restaurant and someone held the place up? Would you just hand your money over? Cower under the table? Fight?
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Kara R
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Posted:12/09/2005 09:26:13 |
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Ok.. I realized I left this a little open ended and everyone is going to come back and says it depends on xyz. So…
1- What would it take for you to get involved if someone was robbing a restaurant?
2- Assume you have on you what ever you normally carry (weapon wise)
3- Assuming the person is standing in front of you at your table demanding money (maybe they have a partner helping them with the other tables) and they have:
a. A gun- and have not shot anyone
b. A gun- and have already shot someone
c. A knife- and has not stabbed anyone
d. A knife- and has already stabbed someone
4- And finally- Anyone know the legal aspects of hurting or killing someone while they are committing a crime? I’m thinking continuum of force here.. so if the person is just demanding money from the register (no weapon visible) and you shoot them from across the restaurant, can you get in trouble for it? You know.. some scum lawyer says you were wrong since they posed no visible threat to you.
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Bill Price
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Posted:12/09/2005 10:00:11 |
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I'm going to throw in a condition here, that I am alone. Introducing family members to the situation really complicates the question.
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Bill Price
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Posted:12/09/2005 10:27:15 |
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Being seated makes this kinda messy. If the attacker has a gun and the victim (for lack of a better word) is seated, unless the attacker brings the gun right to the victim's face / area of power, the victim's options are somewhat limited. You can't really use tai sabaki (body motion) to change the situation, unless you are Chuck Norris. If the gun is brought into the area of power, things change somewhat. This allows a trained victim the opportunity to disarm the attacker. We covered a similar scenario a few years ago in the dojo, in a class where we recreated situations based on surroundings, such as being in an elevator, between cars in a parking lot, in the aisle of an airplane, seated in a car and attacked via the window, etc. (Great class, by the way.)
This situation would be somewhat similar to the 'seated in a car' scenario. In the case where I would be disarming the attacker in a direction where others were seated, I might decline. If the area was clear, I'd be more likely to try. The manner in which we learn to disarm an attacker of a handgun is intended to decrease likelihood of an accidental misfire, in that it quickly separates the attacker's finger from the trigger. I suspect there is still some reasonable risk of that, however.
In the case of a knife, it's a very different situation.
Here's a variable you didn't cover: what cutlery do I have? Was I having the Chocolate Chip Waffle (LIMITED TIME ONLY) or a breakfast steak? I think they give you an actual non-pointed knife with the steak. If it's the waffles, you're in trouble. There's a moral to this story, and I suspect it's anti-vegetarian.
I'm excluding my usual pocket knife, because since I wear jeans, I couldn't sneak the knife out of my pocket while seated.
The steak knife might actually be effective in slashing, which works well with the patterns we covered in the BLADESAFE class. Since we're going for maximum damage 'soft' targets, and adrenaline will have us applying a good amount of force, there might be enough there to shock the attacker into backing away, at which point you stand, and have a new scenario to address.
If I have no useful cutlery, I'd be switching to Jujitsu and attacking the wrists/arms with locks and breaks.
I'll stop now, and let others with more experience step in. I may take a shot at some of the other configurations in a while.
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Seth Black
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Posted:12/09/2005 11:54:23 |
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First & foremost Miss Ryder is correct is assuming there are alot of variables including personal threat to oneself or others, whether or not your loved ones are in immediate danger or not so on & so forth.
However the question put forth by Miss Ryder was " What would you do "
I guess that depends greatly on the individual facing the dellema and there resolve & Confidense within thier training to handle a situation like that.
Personally I would like to tell you that I would be the first to act but I really dont know I have never been put into the middle of that situation.
And I am not going to blow smoke up your a** with tales of testoerone driven grandure.
I can tell you however that if my life or the life of my loved ones are or are ever in immediate danger there is no end to the pain I would inflict upon those who would put me & my loved ones in danger despite the consiquences.
I don't know if this answer helps or just further confuses but it's my take & opinion on the subject.
I will leave you with one more opinion & that is
( It's better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six )
Take care, Be aware & above all Be Safe...
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Kara R
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Posted:12/09/2005 13:19:36 |
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Hmmm good points.. I would have to agree that if my parents were with me I would behave differently then if I was with friends.. Not sure if I would be more aggressive or less..
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<< What would it take for you to get involved if someone was robbing a restaurant?>>
A lot. If they were just at the cash register I wouldn’t get up out of my seat to confront them.. I’d try to get my cell phone out of my purse and punch in 911.. probably get my pepper spray in my hand in case they came through the restaurant.. and wolf down my Limited Time ONLY! Chocolate Chip Waffle as fast as I could (hate to see chocolate go to waste!!)
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a. A gun- and have not shot anyone
I would probably take the cash out of my wallet and have it ready to hand over.. I really don’t want to give up my purse with my license and credit cards.. hopefully they will be trying to get through the restaurant quickly and would be happy to grab the cash and go to the next table..
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b. A gun- and have already shot someone
My momma didn’t raise no fool.. I’d be cowering under the table crying like a school girl.
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c. A knife- and has not stabbed anyone
This one is a little harder.. If they haven’t showed that they “want” to hurt someone, I would hate to get stabbed over $20 in my purse when I could have handed over the money and have been fine.. Maybe try to get my pepper spray out..
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d. A knife- and has already stabbed someone
The weird thing is I think this is the instance I would be most likely to fight back.. especially in the winter when I’m wearing bulkier clothing.. (Assuming I have my pepper spray.. and maybe my knife or one from the table).. They have showed they don’t care about human life and are willing to kill people over a few bucks.. I’d try to hit them with the pepper spray first hopefully my sweater would protect me from any slashes until the pepper spray kicks in..
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Of course in reality I’m going to be cowering under the table the whole time regardless of what is going on!!
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